Are Muslims really trust worthy?

[flew-da-coup]

below is an artical from Tampa and has made national headlines. If anyone believes this was all innocent I have beachfront property in Oklahoma to sell you.




TAMPA, Florida — Two Saudi men were held without bond Sunday after they were arrested for boarding a school bus full of children, authorities said.

Mana Saleh Almanajam, 23, and Shaker Mohsen Alsidran, 20, were charged with misdemeanor trespassing and were being held at Orient Road Jail after a judge said Saturday she wanted more background information on them.

The two men arrived in the country six months ago on student visas and are enrolled at the English Language Institute at the University of South Florida.

Investigators said they boarded the school bus Friday, sat down and began speaking in Arabic. Their behavior concerned the driver, a substitute, who alerted the school district.

The men were asked why they boarded the bus, and sheriff's spokesman J.D. Callaway said they gave different answers: They wanted to enroll in an easier English language program than the one at USF, they wanted to see a high school, and they thought it would be fun.

A friend tried to bail Almanajam and Alsidran out of jail, but Circuit Judge Monica Sierra decided to detain the pair. She scheduled a Tuesday hearing and asked that an Arabic interpreter be present.

[docbyers]

I HAVE to believe that most Muslims are not as stupid as these two camel-kissers...

These guys clearly have no understanding of English, or Americans in general.  A) 9/11 happened, and the planes were flown by Muslim terrorists, B) You don't EVER mess with our kids.

So, these two sandbags may be as innocent as a baby rabbit, but if a Muslim ADULT gets on a school bus with his camel-kissing buddy, you can be sure the driver of the bus will have their interest picqued just a little...!  I mean, for cryin' out loud, how stupid are these guys?!?  Is it too difficult to differentiate a school bus from a metro bus?  Surely they know what a metro bus looks like after watching Speed in their training classes on how to blow up a bus...

Please, FDC, don't lump all the Muslims into the idiot group just because these two are too stupid to tie their own shoes...  If they are indicative of the educational process for Muslims, the whole religion will disintegrate of its own accord anyway...

[flew-da-coup]

My point is that these two were testing how easy it was to get on a school bus full of kids. I know some of you think that some muslims are peaceful and are okay, but I don't trust any of them. You can't trust a viper because one of them didn't bite you when you walked by it. They all bite and they are all poisonous. Like I said before a true Muslim believes the Koran ( Quran ) and it says you as an infidal must become muslim or die. That's what it says and if you believe in the quran than you believe that too. You have want to be Muslims that only pick and choose what they want to believe from their book just like you have want to be Christians that only believe what they want to believe out of the Bible, but I am talking about true Muslims. There is no argument about what their book says. I believe people just want to be PC about the issue. Well I'm not PC. I will not ignore facts and the fact is true Muslims believe it's their God given duty to convert you or kill you.

[docbyers]

There's a good-sized mosque about 5 miles from my house, and the Muslims I see and interact with on a daily basis are all nice and friendly.  No killing of infidels here.  They're just going about their lives like the rest of us, working their jobs and raising their kids, shopping at Kroger and running to soccer practice...

I think the majority of Islamic people here in the states know and appreciate the fact that they're free to worship here as they choose, but they have to play nice.  No suicide bombers, no extremist jihads, no riding on the school buses for the hell of it.  I also think they deplore the violence overseas done in the name of their religion.  I see a lot of American flag stickers and "Support Our Troops" ribbons on their cars.

No, I don't trust them.  The history of their religion does not lend itself to being trusted.  Some people would say the same thing about Christianity, but by and large Christians have shown themselves to be peaceful people, defending themselves when needed, and righting wrongs as they occur.  "Christian" nations fought WWII, and removed Hitler from power.  "Christian" nations deposed Hussein, and freed Kuwait from his aggression.

So, I have no issue with my Islamic neighbors, as long as they play by the rules here.  Step on a school bus and the Homeland Security people, along with INS, CIA, and NSA will be all over your world like white on snow...

[dallanta]

I agree with you docbyers, but then, there was the inquisition, witch trials, and a host of other little mistakes.  Don't get me wrong, I think of myself as a christian, but then  I have no tolerance for pompous bast....,  fanatics, or "my way is the right way" types.

[docbyers]

I like trying the "my way is the right way" approach with my daughters; almost never works, but I like trying it, anyway... 

[dallanta]

rofl,  I raised my daughters to have minds of their own, I did not realized at the time that I had created monsters.  Their poor husbands.. LOL

[flew-da-coup]

Well, I just find it really hard to like any of them, because their god Allah wants me dead. I guess all the Muslims in your community are apostate from the Quran and don't follow the books teachings. Which means they are not real Muslims they just act like it. Which also means my beef is not with them. Real Muslims believe the Quran and follow it.

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Quote from the koran:

IV.89:   They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then   seize them and kill them wherever you find them,  and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[flew-da-coup]

another couple of quotes from the koran:

IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them.

IV.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of God.

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and even more:

4.56: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly
burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

[flew-da-coup]

Here is a good one:

8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts
of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

[flew-da-coup]

The quran is filled with verses that direct all muslims to kill all of us that do not believe in Allah. How can you say that all of them are not out for you blood. True Muslims, the ones who believe and practice the Quran, are murderers at heart and believes that they will be rewarded with our demise.

Quote:
IV.74: Let those who fight in the cause of God who barter the life of this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God's path, whether he is killed or triumphs, We will give him a handsome reward

[flew-da-coup]

By the way the Inquisition was not in line with the Bible and actually the opposite. However, killing non-muslims is throughout the Quran and is a directive from Allah. There is no comparing the two.

[flew-da-coup]

I don't believe those who say that they don't believe in killing non-believers. They know what the Quran says:

4.150: Surely those who disbelieve in Allah and His apostles and (those who) desire to make a distinction between Allah and His
apostles and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and desire to take a course between (this and) that.

4.151: These it is that are truly unbelievers, and We have prepared for the unbelievers a disgraceful chastisement.

4.152: And those who believe in Allah and His apostles and do not make a distinction between any of them -- Allah will grant them
their rewards; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

This is a common passage in all Mosque. They all believe in your death.

Doc, I didn't lump all muslims as killers. They did that when they professed to be Muslim.