Coup........................and others

[MIRCS]

I agree with Freezer. We also need to demand better wages for what we do. I can't complain about my income, but many of you do not get what you deserve. With the shortage of PMEL trained techs we should be able to demand more money and get it.

Okay this is the last time I am going to type this............Hoopty I hope you have it working

Coup I also agree with Freezer, but I wish to take you down a bit of memory lane on this issue.

It was a couple of years ago at the PMEL worldwide, were it was brought up...........................that the IM's were very missed. The USAF is worried about the actual trained Phys-D people left in thework force. I believe that the rate was disestablished in 1999. Many cross rated to IC and EM as they were the ones continuing the job of say......NEC 1820. Since then it seemed the USAF had noticed that the IC and Em personnel that were coming as instructors were not prior IM's. The USAF feels that the missing of the IM rating (the only actually trained Phys-d job field) is going to hurt the USAF's future knowledge of Phys-d as no other service has a basic training/school for this.

Yes there is the advanced school that was at Lowery...then Pensacola and now Keesler that teaches many of the theories of the Phys-d world. The problem is there are no longer any students going through there that have the fundementals of this discipline............

Then we get into the Phys-d people being treated as secondary citizens......or knuckle draggers...etc With that said I would ask any electronics cal god to step into the Phys-d worls.............have em do an 88 peice set of gage blocks in a day....without a Lab Master. I know for the USAF............good Phys-d people made the best K8 people.

Truly why is it that the Phys-d people are treated this way...........................Coup you were on both sides, but it seems you work the Phys-d side now.....................Who has the most training..............who has the most touch??

[flew-da-coup]

Mircs you must have mis-understood me. I do consider and so does most that IM's are included in " PMEL" trained. I agree with you 100% that IM's are the best at Phys.d. I went through the IM school in Pensacola about a year before you did and even though I am also a ET I still respect the IM's as much as a good RF tech. I worked at Robins AFB contract PMEL for 3 years and I will tell you from expirence that the AF PMEL needs IM's. I don't know if John Reader was still teaching at the IM school when you went , but he was the lead tech at Robins AFB PMEL in the Phys.D dept. Flynn who is AF PMEL will tell you that he is one of the greatest Phys.D. techs ever. Please consider yourself " PMEL Trained" because you are. By the way, I do know how to cal Gauge blocks without a LabMaster  . I did it for almost 2 years straight. However the LabMaster is nice. Also, I have met and worked with people who were OJT and I can say some of them were better techs than a "PMEL Trained" tech. I do agree that there is too much credit given to the piece of paper at times. I have seen some PMEL techs who were sorry and not worth a dime. This is why most jobs require a PMEL cert or 5 years in the field. Everyone respects the IM's because of their school. Matter of fact it wasn't my Navy electronics cal school that was impressive to my current employer, it was my IM cert. I will tell you that RF is my personal favorite area and wish I could do RF exclusively, but to employers now my IM school is what they want. Having school in both areas is more attractive to most employers, but I bet you don't get turned down from many jobs with that piece of paper you have. So be happy my PMEL brother.

[skolito]

This is why most jobs require a PMEL cert or 5 years in the field. 

Try having 14 years experience and apply for a job that says this I tried for two years and every time I got a call back and they found out I did not go to PMEL school they said and I quote "You do not meet the requirements for this position" this was after a 30 min conversation about all I know and have been doing for the last 14 years.

[K-Rock]

This is why most jobs require a PMEL cert or 5 years in the field. 

Try having 14 years experience and apply for a job that says this I tried for two years and every time I got a call back and they found out I did not go to PMEL school they said and I quote "You do not meet the requirements for this position" this was after a 30 min conversation about all I know and have been doing for the last 14 years.

Sorry to hear that, Brah! I interview and hire techs and love to see that someone has been to the PMEL school, only because I know that the training they received was specific to calibration and have been taught the importance of the unbroken chain of traceability. That being said, I have never refused an interview based solely on the lack of a PMEL school, if the person has the experience working in metrology. As many of us know, the first thing you have to do when someone comes to their first duty assignment from the PMEL school is to train them on how a lab really operates and how to apply the knowledge they received in the schoolhouse.