Let's start a Calibration Union!!!!

Started by PMEL_DEVIL-DOG, 03-07-2006 -- 13:45:32

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skolito

#30
01-04-2008 -- 08:47:53
Just a few problems. Unions got the entire PMEL lab fired at one of my last jobs by playing games with the management. Unions had a place 30-35 years ago but today the only cause people to loose there jobs. Carrier corp. closed there NY plants and moved them to NC because of unions pulling the we'll strike if you dont give us a 10% pay raise, better this better that. Carrier had enough and closed the plant 15000 people lost there jobs. I cant even work in certian states because I am not a union member.

coastiecappy

#31
01-04-2008 -- 12:05:36
Additional problems with starting a union. First, you have to get everyone together, some are hourly, some are salaried, what about those that are still serving in the military, very difficult to get a consensus. Second, if you manage to get one, whatever you had before in now on the table to be negotiated. Therefore vacation, health, holidays, retirement, pay, etc. has be put into the contract. Third, would be negotiations with every lab in the country.
Yes, I have been in several unions and worked with several more. A union is not always the best answer, education of the management team is an option.
Alle the world's a stage, and alle the men and women players : Why are most so woefully unrehearsed ?
Willy Shakespeare the younger

Hawaii596

#32
01-04-2008 -- 15:15:46
I do agree that there are some significant pitfalls to unions.   A co-worker years ago told me in the union lab where he worked, there were equipment handlers who brought items to and from your bench, and there would be a grievance generated if you were caught moving instruments to or from your bench.   This caused a lot of bottlenecks.

Also, when my wife a number of years ago worked in a store that considered unionizing, a lot of those pitfalls became evident such as that a union doesn't guarantee any better pay or working conditions; they often produce more restrictive, less productive work environments, take dues and don't allow you to work if a strike is declared.

One alternate thought might be via something such as CCT (ASQ), NCSLI, or other similar organization to develop a standard set of recommended pay standards so that when companies hire techs, there is a recognized and respected industry standard.   

Just a thought.
"I often say that when you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind."
Lord Kelvin (1824-1907)
from lecture to the Institute of Civil Engineers, 3 May 1883

deerhunter

#33
01-05-2008 -- 07:21:40
MIRCS - Goldbelt Falcon does not have the AFPSL contract, they have the Logistics contract at the AFPSL.  Goldbelt is a subcontractor to Bionetics.

Bionetics has the calibration and T.O. portions of the AFPSL contract.

MIRCS

#34
01-05-2008 -- 11:18:57
Quote from: deerhunter on 01-05-2008 -- 07:21:40
MIRCS - Goldbelt Falcon does not have the AFPSL contract, they have the Logistics contract at the AFPSL.  Goldbelt is a subcontractor to Bionetics.

Bionetics has the calibration and T.O. portions of the AFPSL contract.

Sorry, misunderstood their proposal package, when they were showing what cal contracts they were working on.
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