2nd Amendment, what is infringement?

[flew-da-coup]

There is a suburb of Atlanta that has an ordinance that states everyone 21 yrs old and up must own a firearm. I like that local gun law

[griff61]

There is a suburb of Atlanta that has an ordinance that states everyone 21 yrs old and up must own a firearm. I like that local gun law

Kennesaw actually only requires the head of a household to own a firearm with the exception of "those who conscientiously object to owning a firearm, convicted felons, those who cannot afford a firearm, and those with a mental or physical disability that would prevent them from owning a firearm"

There's no penalty for violating the ordinance.

I always thought everybody in Georgia owned a gun in the first place, lol

[_Adam_]

I think my biggest gripe with the system currently in place is that the Brinks armored truck driver can carry a weapon to protect his employer's cash yet in all but two states it is illegal for me to carry a weapon to protect myself and my family.

We get nut jobs who go on killing sprees and government response is gun control.  Gun control is treating the symptom and not the cause.

Assault weapons are used in a minuscule proportion of crimes yet we banned them in 1994 for crime reduction and it didn't work.

The problem is poverty and a predisposition to violence.  Solve those two, and gun related crimes will virtually cease to exist.

[griff61]

The problem is poverty and a predisposition to violence.  Solve those two, and gun related crimes will virtually cease to exist.

That sounds very socialist...lol

[_Adam_]

The problem is poverty and a predisposition to violence.  Solve those two, and gun related crimes will virtually cease to exist.

That sounds very socialist...lol

Not to me.  Socialism taken to its extremes tends to create more poverty.

[griff61]

The problem is poverty and a predisposition to violence.  Solve those two, and gun related crimes will virtually cease to exist.

That sounds very socialist...lol

Not to me.  Socialism taken to its extremes tends to create more poverty.

So how would you cure poverty? Perhaps a little forced labor?

[_Adam_]

The problem is poverty and a predisposition to violence.  Solve those two, and gun related crimes will virtually cease to exist.

That sounds very socialist...lol

Not to me.  Socialism taken to its extremes tends to create more poverty.

So how would you cure poverty? Perhaps a little forced labor?

I make no claim to have a solution to poverty. Although I happen to think that education would be a fine start.  I happily pay taxes that directly support education from primary to secondary levels.

I was just making the assertion that gun control is treatment of symptoms and does nothing to address the cause of the problem in the first place.

We have already made it illegal to murder, we've made it illegal to use a deadly weapon, and we have established laws that create "gun free" zones.  So when the Virgina Tech shooter walked on the campus and murdered so many innocents, he broke three laws already.  Who here really thinks that requiring the magazines he used to have 10 or less rounds would actually deter him from having committed the crime in the first place?  What if there was a semi-automatic ban, could he have not killed with a revolver?  What if he were unable to get a gun in the first place, would he not use a knife, a vehicle, or fire?  If an individual is hellbent on killing someone, they will find an avenue to do so.

Those who wish to ban guns completely attempt to scare the masses completely by saying that automatic weapons are readily available on a street corner near you, but that is simply not the case.  Sure, you can get a clone semi-automatic version in most of the states, but thanks to the lawmakers in the late 60's, fully auto weapons are rare and costly and damned hard for the average joe to get.  We are talking $20K plus passing the background checks and getting local LE to sign off on clearance forms.

[flew-da-coup]

There is no cure for poverty. There is no solution for poverty. There is no solution to lazy people. There is no solution for greed either. For this very reason communism will always fail. For this very reason socialism will limp along as a broken system of government. These problems have had 1000's of "solutions" thrown at them over the centuries and yet they still exist. It is called life. Some people are worthless bottom feeders and some actually try to make there life worth something.

[griff61]

There is no cure for poverty. There is no solution for poverty. There is no solution to lazy people. There is no solution for greed either. For this very reason communism will always fail. For this very reason socialism will limp along as a broken system of government. These problems have had 1000's of "solutions" thrown at them over the centuries and yet they still exist. It is called life. Some people are worthless bottom feeders and some actually try to make there life worth something.

Poverty is not synonymous with lazy, I doubt we'd last too many days in the life of a Congolese farmer.
Communism (Marxist) has never occurred because of greed and simply it's disregard for the simple human need for reward. Essentially because people are people.
The counter to greed (and corruption) is oversight regulation.
Socialism works quite well when the overarching method of wealth creation is capitalistic. As it is on Canada, Britain, France and to a lesser extent Germany.
When practiced as it is in Cuba, socialism simply prevents any kind of entrepreneurship or invention and essentially hold the advancement of the nation in place.

The usual 'solution' thrown at poverty is to ignore it.
In fact, if you take a close look at monay of the social problems we have in the US (and many other countries), the root cause is poverty.

[Winterfire2008]

Poverty is the shortage of common things such as food, clothing, shelter and safe drinking water, all of which determine our quality of life.

In the context of religious vows, poverty may be understood as a means of self-denial in order to place oneself at the service of others.

OMG am I experiencing "poverty" because I denied myself that lovely little pistol that is extreme short supply which of course every American wants and needs because it so makes  life worth living!!!!

[flew-da-coup]

There is no cure for poverty. There is no solution for poverty. There is no solution to lazy people. There is no solution for greed either. For this very reason communism will always fail. For this very reason socialism will limp along as a broken system of government. These problems have had 1000's of "solutions" thrown at them over the centuries and yet they still exist. It is called life. Some people are worthless bottom feeders and some actually try to make there life worth something.

Poverty is not synonymous with lazy, I doubt we'd last too many days in the life of a Congolese farmer.
Communism (Marxist) has never occurred because of greed and simply it's disregard for the simple human need for reward. Essentially because people are people.
The counter to greed (and corruption) is oversight regulation.
Socialism works quite well when the overarching method of wealth creation is capitalistic. As it is on Canada, Britain, France and to a lesser extent Germany.
When practiced as it is in Cuba, socialism simply prevents any kind of entrepreneurship or invention and essentially hold the advancement of the nation in place.

The usual 'solution' thrown at poverty is to ignore it.
In fact, if you take a close look at monay of the social problems we have in the US (and many other countries), the root cause is poverty.

Umm, never said "Poverty is synonymous with lazy". Nor did I imply that lazy is synonymous with greed. It is obvious that you read what you want to read in my post. Maybe that's why you think socialism is good too. You only see what you want to see and not the facts, ie my last post.

[griff61]

There is no cure for poverty. There is no solution for poverty. There is no solution to lazy people. There is no solution for greed either. For this very reason communism will always fail. For this very reason socialism will limp along as a broken system of government. These problems have had 1000's of "solutions" thrown at them over the centuries and yet they still exist. It is called life. Some people are worthless bottom feeders and some actually try to make there life worth something.

Poverty is not synonymous with lazy, I doubt we'd last too many days in the life of a Congolese farmer.
Communism (Marxist) has never occurred because of greed and simply it's disregard for the simple human need for reward. Essentially because people are people.
The counter to greed (and corruption) is oversight regulation.
Socialism works quite well when the overarching method of wealth creation is capitalistic. As it is on Canada, Britain, France and to a lesser extent Germany.
When practiced as it is in Cuba, socialism simply prevents any kind of entrepreneurship or invention and essentially hold the advancement of the nation in place.

The usual 'solution' thrown at poverty is to ignore it.
In fact, if you take a close look at monay of the social problems we have in the US (and many other countries), the root cause is poverty.

Umm, never said "Poverty is synonymous with lazy". Nor did I imply that lazy is synonymous with greed. It is obvious that you read what you want to read in my post. Maybe that's why you think socialism is good too. You only see what you want to see and not the facts, ie my last post.

What is it that you were implying? Why is there no 'cure' for poverty? Perhaps you should re-think about how you arrange your statements.
If the shoe fits...

[_Adam_]

For what it is worth, the 9th circuit court incorporated the 2nd against the states via the 14th.  The case is Nordyke V King and can be read here:

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/04/20/0715763.pdf

[griff61]

For what it is worth, the 9th circuit court incorporated the 2nd against the states via the 14th.  The case is Nordyke V King and can be read here:

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/04/20/0715763.pdf

Kind of makes you want someone to appeal it so it finally settles the question in the big house (SCOTUS).

[_Adam_]

For what it is worth, the 9th circuit court incorporated the 2nd against the states via the 14th.  The case is Nordyke V King and can be read here:

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/04/20/0715763.pdf

Kind of makes you want someone to appeal it so it finally settles the question in the big house (SCOTUS).

I would venture to guess that the gun control crowd may not want to appeal the ruling to the SCOTUS.  Especially after being stung with Heller.