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Title: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: spyder on 01-19-2007 -- 21:23:49
I'm the training manager for a PMEL and was wanting to setup a new training book. I was trying to find a good picture of harmonics, subharmonics, and non-harmonics.  I think this would make it easier for the trainer to get his point across to the new technicians.
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: mdbuike on 01-20-2007 -- 08:18:34
My advice, get a digital camera, an 8566 spec an, some signal generators and a comb generator, and take pictures of the screen showing harmonics, subharmonics and spurious..a mis-aligned 3325A is great for spurious, of course, then you have to realign it..

And while it is not emphasized as much, mixing spurs..which is why I advocate the 8566 over the 8563..

If you have the commercial data for the 8662 or 8663, do the spurious verification thier way, not the K procedure way, and while it takes time, it can be enlightening..

Also, if you have a phase noise system, spurs can be checked that way.

Mike
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: Kraemer on 01-20-2007 -- 08:33:18
Exactly what I was going to suggest, as I prefer the display on the 8566 for training purposes for ease of explanation. A good digital picture can be taken or a series of photos then you can edit pics in Paint or other photo edit program and label the harmonics and subs appropriately, which would make the training session a bit easier.
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: spyder on 01-20-2007 -- 13:46:29
Unfortunately our 8566 was NRTS a ways back and has not been replaced yet. We do have the 8563, I will have give it a try. I was hoping there might have been existing examples out there. Thanks.  :-D
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: LarryH on 02-26-2007 -- 17:55:37
Set your function generator to SQUAREWAVE - since the square wave is generated by multiple harmonics, it gives a great harmonic display way up to the 10th+ harmonic of the selected frequency.  As a side note, this is also a great way to calibrate the lower frequency spans (10MHz/div and less) - sort of like a low frequency comb generator.

As for sub and non harmonics, I am not sure what the square wave generates.  Another, good source, if I recall correctly is a cavity tuned oscillator found in the 8640.  It is a very clean CLOSE IN source be generates lots of harmonics which are cleaned up by the circuitry.  I am just recalling this from troubleshooting one over a decade ago so someone else may have better, more current input on this idea.
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 02-27-2007 -- 10:21:57
Your best bet would to be goggle search the Navy NEETS training modules. Those things are OUTSTANDING!!! You can thank me later. :wink:
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 02-27-2007 -- 10:30:17
try this link. Hope it works for ya!
http://www.phy.davidson.edu/instrumentation/Files/NEETS/Mod11%20-%20Microwave%20Principles.pdf
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: K-Rock on 02-28-2007 -- 11:20:08
I think that would be a good site to bookmark. Lots of good info on there. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: MIRCS on 02-28-2007 -- 14:11:51
NEETS kick butt...............I have all modules and duplicates of most.
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 03-01-2007 -- 13:21:10
Well then, can a brotha get a 'cert-star' or what? :-D
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: Hoopty on 03-01-2007 -- 13:44:23
I'll give you one.  That contribution deserves a little love...
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 03-06-2007 -- 14:57:19
My brotha..... :-D :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: bradley563 on 03-06-2007 -- 21:27:49
I have the complete NEETS set on a cd.  If anyone is interested I could possibly burn and copy for you.
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: bradley563 on 03-12-2007 -- 19:10:10
For those who contacted me.  I just got my CD back.  Unfortunatly I am in OH working right now.  I will be home next week.  I will make the copies and let you know when they are sent.
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: bradley563 on 03-27-2007 -- 17:50:24
OK, I got the CD just seem to be having problems copying it.  Any help?
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: flew-da-coup on 03-28-2007 -- 04:47:32
Is it in Adobe (.pdf ) format? If it is , why can't Jesse just load it onto the forum?
Title: Re: Training information on Harmonics, Sub-Hamonics and Non-Harmonics
Post by: Hoopty on 03-28-2007 -- 09:59:44
I probably could, depending upon how many and their overall size.

Are there 24 modules on your CD Bradley?  If so, all can be found here:  http://www.phy.davidson.edu/instrumentation/NEETS.htm

I'll see what I can do about getting something going here though.


~Hoopty