below is an artical from Tampa and has made national headlines. If anyone believes this was all innocent I have beachfront property in Oklahoma to sell you.
TAMPA, Florida — Two Saudi men were held without bond Sunday after they were arrested for boarding a school bus full of children, authorities said.
Mana Saleh Almanajam, 23, and Shaker Mohsen Alsidran, 20, were charged with misdemeanor trespassing and were being held at Orient Road Jail after a judge said Saturday she wanted more background information on them.
The two men arrived in the country six months ago on student visas and are enrolled at the English Language Institute at the University of South Florida.
Investigators said they boarded the school bus Friday, sat down and began speaking in Arabic. Their behavior concerned the driver, a substitute, who alerted the school district.
The men were asked why they boarded the bus, and sheriff's spokesman J.D. Callaway said they gave different answers: They wanted to enroll in an easier English language program than the one at USF, they wanted to see a high school, and they thought it would be fun.
A friend tried to bail Almanajam and Alsidran out of jail, but Circuit Judge Monica Sierra decided to detain the pair. She scheduled a Tuesday hearing and asked that an Arabic interpreter be present.
I HAVE to believe that most Muslims are not as stupid as these two camel-kissers...
These guys clearly have no understanding of English, or Americans in general. A) 9/11 happened, and the planes were flown by Muslim terrorists, B) You don't EVER mess with our kids.
So, these two sandbags may be as innocent as a baby rabbit, but if a Muslim ADULT gets on a school bus with his camel-kissing buddy, you can be sure the driver of the bus will have their interest picqued just a little...! I mean, for cryin' out loud, how stupid are these guys?!? Is it too difficult to differentiate a school bus from a metro bus? Surely they know what a metro bus looks like after watching Speed in their training classes on how to blow up a bus...
Please, FDC, don't lump all the Muslims into the idiot group just because these two are too stupid to tie their own shoes... If they are indicative of the educational process for Muslims, the whole religion will disintegrate of its own accord anyway...
My point is that these two were testing how easy it was to get on a school bus full of kids. I know some of you think that some muslims are peaceful and are okay, but I don't trust any of them. You can't trust a viper because one of them didn't bite you when you walked by it. They all bite and they are all poisonous. Like I said before a true Muslim believes the Koran ( Quran ) and it says you as an infidal must become muslim or die. That's what it says and if you believe in the quran than you believe that too. You have want to be Muslims that only pick and choose what they want to believe from their book just like you have want to be Christians that only believe what they want to believe out of the Bible, but I am talking about true Muslims. There is no argument about what their book says. I believe people just want to be PC about the issue. Well I'm not PC. I will not ignore facts and the fact is true Muslims believe it's their God given duty to convert you or kill you.
There's a good-sized mosque about 5 miles from my house, and the Muslims I see and interact with on a daily basis are all nice and friendly. No killing of infidels here. They're just going about their lives like the rest of us, working their jobs and raising their kids, shopping at Kroger and running to soccer practice...
I think the majority of Islamic people here in the states know and appreciate the fact that they're free to worship here as they choose, but they have to play nice. No suicide bombers, no extremist jihads, no riding on the school buses for the hell of it. I also think they deplore the violence overseas done in the name of their religion. I see a lot of American flag stickers and "Support Our Troops" ribbons on their cars.
No, I don't trust them. The history of their religion does not lend itself to being trusted. Some people would say the same thing about Christianity, but by and large Christians have shown themselves to be peaceful people, defending themselves when needed, and righting wrongs as they occur. "Christian" nations fought WWII, and removed Hitler from power. "Christian" nations deposed Hussein, and freed Kuwait from his aggression.
So, I have no issue with my Islamic neighbors, as long as they play by the rules here. Step on a school bus and the Homeland Security people, along with INS, CIA, and NSA will be all over your world like white on snow...
I agree with you docbyers, but then, there was the inquisition, witch trials, and a host of other little mistakes. Don't get me wrong, I think of myself as a christian, but then I have no tolerance for pompous bast...., fanatics, or "my way is the right way" types.
I like trying the "my way is the right way" approach with my daughters; almost never works, but I like trying it, anyway... :-)
rofl, I raised my daughters to have minds of their own, I did not realized at the time that I had created monsters. Their poor husbands.. LOL
Well, I just find it really hard to like any of them, because their god Allah wants me dead. I guess all the Muslims in your community are apostate from the Quran and don't follow the books teachings. Which means they are not real Muslims they just act like it. Which also means my beef is not with them. Real Muslims believe the Quran and follow it.
Quote from the koran:
IV.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
another couple of quotes from the koran:
IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them.
IV.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of God.
and even more:
4.56: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly
burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Here is a good one:
8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts
of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
The quran is filled with verses that direct all muslims to kill all of us that do not believe in Allah. How can you say that all of them are not out for you blood. True Muslims, the ones who believe and practice the Quran, are murderers at heart and believes that they will be rewarded with our demise.
Quote:
IV.74: Let those who fight in the cause of God who barter the life of this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God's path, whether he is killed or triumphs, We will give him a handsome reward
By the way the Inquisition was not in line with the Bible and actually the opposite. However, killing non-muslims is throughout the Quran and is a directive from Allah. There is no comparing the two.
I don't believe those who say that they don't believe in killing non-believers. They know what the Quran says:
4.150: Surely those who disbelieve in Allah and His apostles and (those who) desire to make a distinction between Allah and His
apostles and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and desire to take a course between (this and) that.
4.151: These it is that are truly unbelievers, and We have prepared for the unbelievers a disgraceful chastisement.
4.152: And those who believe in Allah and His apostles and do not make a distinction between any of them -- Allah will grant them
their rewards; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
This is a common passage in all Mosque. They all believe in your death.
Doc, I didn't lump all muslims as killers. They did that when they professed to be Muslim.
Any comments on this thread? :?
Silence is concurrence.
I guess your right Doc. I gues enough was said.
I spent ten years total working in Saudi Arabia. Wouldn't trust any of them, although some seemed nice enough and pleasant to work with. Sleazy socieity, and I haven't seen a worse one anywhere. While I can't complain - they paid me well enough and generally lived up to the contracts - treatment of foreign workers from the third world, particularly domestic workers, was barbaric beyond words. We invaded the wrong country...
Do a google on 'maid abuse Saudi Arabia'. That'll do for starters...
Black Tuesday: The Last Day of the World
by Robert Spencer
As the European Union., United Nations and United States contrive to fund the Palestinian Authority despite declarations that they would never aid Hamas; as the Russians rush to aid Iran's nuclear ambitions; and as America is ever more riven by furious disagreement over the prosecution of the terror war, a historical analogy is useful to put things in perspective.
On Tuesday, May 29, 1453, the armies of the Ottoman Sultan Mehmet II entered Constantinople, breaking through the defenses of a vastly outnumbered and indomitably courageous Byzantine force. Historian Steven Runciman notes what happened next: the Muslim soldiers "slew everyone that they met in the streets, men, women, and children without discrimination. The blood ran in rivers down the steep streets from the heights of Petra toward the Golden Horn. But soon the lust for slaughter was assuaged. The soldiers realized that captives and precious objects would bring them greater profit." (The Fall of Constantinople 1453, Cambridge University Press, 1965, p. 145.)
It has come to be known as Black Tuesday, the Last Day of the World.
The jihadists also entered the Hagia Sophia, which for nearly a thousand years had been the grandest church in Christendom. The faithful had gathered within its hallowed walls to pray during the city's last agony. The Muslims, according to Runciman, halted the celebration of Orthros (morning prayer); the priests, according to legend, took the sacred vessels and disappeared into the cathedral's eastern wall, through which they shall return to complete the divine service one day. Muslim men then killed the elderly and weak and led the rest off into slavery.
Once the Muslims had thoroughly subdued Constantinople, they set out to Islamize it. According to the Muslim chronicler Hoca Sa'deddin, tutor of the 16th-century Sultans Murad III and Mehmed III, "churches which were within the city were emptied of their vile idols and cleansed from the filthy and idolatrous impurities and by the defacement of their images and the erection of Islamic prayer niches and pulpits many monasteries and chapels became the envy of the gardens of Paradise."
Tuesday has been regarded as unlucky by superstitious Greeks ever since.
Why did this happen?
Realpolitik. Short-sighted Byzantine Emperors such as John VI Cantacuzenes made ill-advised alliances with the Ottomans; in 1347 he invited them into Europe to aid them in a dynastic dispute, and they haven't left yet.
Disunity. The Western European powers were themselves disunited and preoccupied with their own affairs. Compounding that was the fact that they couldn't rally much support for a bailout of the Byzantines without an ecclesiastical unity that, when it was affected on paper by the Patriarch of Constantinople and the Emperor, was rejected by the people of the Empire. The force the West finally sent was too small, and it was annihilated by the Muslims at Varna in Bulgaria in 1444. Far too many Westerners didn't see the peril of Constantinople as their peril, and far too many Easterners subscribed to the Byzantine official Lukas Notaras' quip: "Better the turban of the Sultan than the tiara of the Pope."
Meanwhile, the world has forgotten what happened on Black Tuesday, and so many other days like it from India to Spain, and persists in the fantasy that Islam does not contain an imperialist impulse and that Muslims can be admitted without limit into Western countries without any attempt to determine how many would like ultimately to subjugate and Islamize their new countries, the way their forefathers did to Constantinople so long ago.
And today we see the same ill-informed games of realpolitik, pragmatic alliances made with those who would conquer and subjugate us, and the same disunity and finger-pointing at each other instead of unity in the face of this threat to our common survival.
It is fitting that Black Tuesday coincided this year with Memorial Day. For only a strong defense—not just military, but cultural and spiritual, a civilizational defense—will conquer the forces of jihad and keep there from being many more Black Tuesdays, many more Last Days of the World. May we mount that defense, speedily.
The history of these people is a prophecy of their future. They will not stop because they believe their goal is rightious. Why do we allow them in our military? These people have no right to exist on this earth. Well, one thing is for sure. I want them dead as bad as they want me dead. I don't want my children to have to deal with them when they get older. Islam=EVIL.
Hitler should have attacked them instead of the Jewish people. :evil:
From www.contactmusic.com:
A Muslim film festival, which opens in San Francisco on Saturday, will be highlighted by a screening of the Turkish film Valley of the Wolves, an anti-American docudrama that hinges on a July 4, 2003 incident during the Iraq war when U.S. forces captured 11 Turkish soldiers who were actually members of coalition forces. The incident sparked outrage in Turkey after the soldiers were shown with hoods over their heads being marched out of their headquarters at gunpoint. The villain in the film is played by Gary Busey, as a doctor who removes organs from Iraqi prisoners and sells them to hospitals abroad. The $10-million film is the most expensive Turkish film ever made and is one of the country's biggest hits. Last February, one woman, emerging from a theater showing the film in Istanbul, told a BBC reporter: "If I see an American when I get out of here I feel like taking a hood and putting it over their head."
Turkish rush to embrace anti-US film
By Sarah Rainsford
BBC News in Istanbul
It is rabidly anti-American, and it is the biggest draw in town.
With a budget of $10m (£5.7m), Valley of the Wolves Iraq is the most expensive film ever made in Turkey - and it is pulling record crowds.
At one of Istanbul's biggest multiplex cinemas the blockbuster is showing on five separate screens and nearly all the seats are sold out. It's the same story across the country.
"I'm back to see it for the second time already," says one student, waiting impatiently outside Screen 10.
"It is anti-American, but we already know what they've done in Iraq. That's the reality. Now we can see it on screen."
The movie opens with a real-life incident: the arrest in July 2003 of Turkish special forces in Sulaymaniyah, northern Iraq.
The soldiers were led out of their headquarters at gunpoint, with hoods over their heads. America later apologised, but it appears the offence ran deep.
At the time Turkey took the incident as national humiliation. In this film the fictional hero sets out for revenge.
From then on, the action pits good Turks against very bad Americans, in a mix of fact and fiction with a deeply nationalistic flavour.
US violence
In one scene, trigger-happy US troops massacre civilians at a wedding party.
In another they firebomb a mosque during evening prayer. There are multiple summary executions.
And for the first time, the real-life abuses by American soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison are played out on the big screen.
Middle East expert Cengiz Candar
Even the doctor - played by Gary Busey - is evil, removing human organs from Iraqi prisoners to send to patients in the US, Israel and Britain.
"Our film's a sort of political action," explains script-writer Bahadir Ozdener at the production company's stylish office on the Asian side of Istanbul.
"Maybe 60 or 70% of what happens on screen is factually true. Turkey and America are allies, but Turkey wants to say something to its friend. We want to say the bitter truth. We want to say that this is wrong."
In a mainly Muslim country that has enjoyed a long strategic partnership with the US, Valley of the Wolves has sparked intense interest.
The US ambassador to Ankara was quizzed for his reaction to the film on a major news channel; even Turkey's foreign minister has felt moved to comment on it. Both were anxious to appear conciliatory.
But the film clearly capitalises on a wave of anti-American feeling that peaked with the Sulaymaniyah controversy, but began to swell with preparation for the invasion of Iraq.
Middle East expert Cengiz Candar says the incident in Sulaymaniyah added deep insult to injury in Turkey, where there was already strong opposition to the war across the border.
Fears of nationalism
Cengiz Candar feels relations had started to improve. Now he fears Valley of the Wolves will reignite the embers, with all its talk of defending Turkish honour and pride.
"This film poisons the climate in a way that enhances jingoistic nationalism among Turks," Cengiz complains.
"It's pushing society to be inward-looking and hostile to our allies and would-be allies. This kind of mentality will do no good for Turkey."
Part of the pull for the crowds flocking to cinemas here is certainly the Turkish actors involved.
The film is a spin-off from a cult TV series from the same producers.
That show pitted the all-action hero Polat against the Turkish mafia. But in changing the enemy and the location, the team behind the film appear to have judged the public mood well.
Back at the multiplex there was an all-round vote of approval from the audience for the movie, and general disapproval for the US.
"Everything we've been hearing on the news about Iraq is in this film," one woman says as she emerges from the auditorium.
"We condemn this war and will continue to condemn it. But I don't see America as our fundamental enemy," she adds.
"I'm really upset after this, really upset," an older man says, as rushes away.
"If I see an American when I get out of here I feel like taking a hood and putting it over their head."
The film is due for release in Europe soon. Then it is off to the US.
I predict the U.S. media will give this film a lot of air time when it arrives here...
Much like The DaVinci Code, the mix of fact and fiction in the film will make it controversial.
Typical Muslims. They will believe anything another Muslim tells them. I wonder if the film was financed by the terrorist? I am sure you would find traces back to Bin Laden some way.
well, working in an Islamic country for the past 10 weeks (got 16 more), I don't trust them. Some are cool, but you never know. They claim to be all holy and sh!t but they all talk about their girlfriends that their wives don't know about....
NOBODY parties heartier in Europe than a Muslim! Stop by any business class lounge in Rome, Zurich, or Frankfurt, and watch the Scotch disappear...
When flying into Jeddah on business, I would watch and smile, 'cause you could almost set your watch by it; when you were approaching Saudi airspace, the men would get up, go to the restroom, and come back with the turban and robes, looking very Arabic- quite a change from the tailored European suit he was wearing when he boarded the plane...
Then, leaving there, the pilot would announce when we had left the Kingdom's airspace, and, again, the men would change clothes, return to their seats, and start drinking.
Yep- real devout religious types when they're at home, but get 'em off the farm and they make Oktoberfest look like a bar mitzvah...
Most don't believe the Quran, they just like violence. They are wicked people that need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Hey Devil_Dog will you kick one in the nuts for me? I would be greatful if you took pictures of the guy curled up on the floor crying. Thanks.
I like the pi$$ing in Cokes approach. Harder to photograph, but just as much fun!
How about cyanide in their cokes? Now that's something worth a photograph.
How & why do the Muslims hate us & everyone else so much? Doesn't their God teach them to love? Apparently not! Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation, perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.
Call it what you wish....it's still the truth.
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. Pass it on Fellow Americans. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
Quote from: flew-da-coup on 06-28-2006 -- 04:33:46
Most don't believe the Quran, they just like violence. They are wicked people that need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Hey Devil_Dog will you kick one in the nuts for me? I would be greatful if you took pictures of the guy curled up on the floor crying. Thanks.
Yo Coup, I'll do you one better...
I'll kick one in the nuts for ya while eating a ham sandwich. I'll even put a lil bit of that "swine-jelly", you know, that clear stuff that always gathers at the bottom of the spam can, on the toe of my boot so when I kick him in the azz, he'll have bacon on his breath. Can't pray to Allah with a filty mouth!
Go for it! :evil:
What They Want
by Oliver North
"What do they want?" It's a query we hear a lot these days. By "they," of course, the questioner means the suicide bombers, the masked men in the videotape decapitating a hostage, the goose-stepping, black-clad legions parading with AK-47s. "They" call themselves Hamas, al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the Muslim Brotherhood, Jamaat-Islamiyah, the Mahdi Army or any of a dozen other names for violent terror groups operating with impunity around the world.
Five years ago next month, "they" were al Qaeda -- thrust onto center stage aboard four aircraft turned into deadly missiles. This past spring, "they" were Hamas terrorists, firing lethal Qassam rockets from Gaza into neighborhoods in southern Israel. This week, it's Hezbollah -- the Iranian-armed and directed movement in Lebanon that ignited the current round of violence in the Middle East.
Some of the "theys" are Sunni Muslim. Others are Shia. In most of the world they are theological adversaries -- with a long sanguinary history of fratricide far bloodier than anything experienced in the Christian schism between Catholics and Protestants. In nearly every case, "they" have foundations in a local grievance, recruit followers by emphasizing perceived wrongs and have charismatic leaders who promote "martyrdom" as a means of making things right.
Regardless of origin -- Sunni or Shia -- "they" share critical common ground. They all despise Judeo-Christian values, institutions and individuals and are committed to "ridding" Islamic lands of Western "occupation." They are all "non-state" entities -- claiming independence of any government -- but rely on support from radical Islamic entities awash in petro-dollars. All carry out attacks with ruthless brutality without regard for their victims. All regard Israel and America as abominations, share the aim of "liberating" Jerusalem and envision a caliphate that extends from Casablanca in the west to Indonesia in the east. This is "what they want."
Unfortunately, in this era of shallow, "sound-bite" journalism and drive-by "action" coverage, these objectives -- routinely specified in the writings, speeches and sermons of radical Islamic political leaders and clerics -- are widely ignored by the masters of our mainstream media or dismissed as the ranting of fanatics with few followers. The consequence is a woefully uninformed public -- and an electorate so ignorant of reality that western political leaders can promote simplistic solutions like this week's calls for an immediate cease-fire, intensive diplomacy and the introduction of an international peacekeeping force leading to a negotiated end to the strife.
This theme, repeated in today's newspapers, magazines, newscasts and political stump speeches, is a minor variation on the kind of thinking that succeeded so brilliantly with Adolf Hitler. He too had written and spoken widely of his aspirations for global domination and ethnic cleansing. Yet, even after he had re-armed and commenced fulfilling his twisted dreams of "purification" and expansion, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain was able to proclaim "peace for our time," after returning from Munich in September 1938. Less than a year later, the Fuhrer plunged the world into a global conflagration. The willful ignorance of weak-willed democratic leaders bent on appeasing evil did not spare their populations then -- nor will it today.
Those leading the call for the Israelis to cease their aggression in Lebanon and start immediate talks leading to a broader Middle East peace -- all part of the lexicon today -- need a healthy dose of reality. There is no "Middle East Peace" to keep.
Here at home, Sen. Richard "Dick" Durbin, D-Ill., Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, and others in the "cut and run from Iraq" crowd in the U.S. Congress, are urging that the United States "reign Israel in" -- force them to "stop the shooting" by cutting off deliveries of fuel, ordnance and spare parts for the U.S.-made weapons and equipment used by the Israel Defense Forces. They claim that doing so will make it possible for the immediate introduction of a U.N.-sponsored peacekeeping force.
Though this course of action would indeed bring about a short-term cessation of hostilities, it is nonsense. U.N. "peacekeepers" have failed miserably at keeping peace, or preventing radical Islamic terrorists from recruiting, training or firing rockets into Israel from U.N.-run refugee camps. Though a strong, well-armed, competently-led multi-national intervention force is going to be essential in Lebanon, deploying such a corps is going to take weeks, not days.
In Washington, London, Paris, Rome and moderate Islamic capitals, there is a desperate need to see the crisis in Lebanon for what it is -- the latest battle in the global war on Islamo-Nazi terror. Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah -- the Iranian-puppet who heads Hezbollah -- has ambitions to become the dominant political force in Lebanon and establish Beirut as another capital in a Shia-dominated caliphate -- but ultimately, he dances to Tehran's tune.
Stopping the Israelis from destroying Hezbollah's military capability will, in the short term, significantly endanger the troops in a multi-national intervention force. The destruction of the U.S. Marine and French paratrooper barracks in Beirut in October 1983 should have taught us that much. Worse, if Hezbollah -- and their Iranian Pasdaran allies -- are allowed to retain their arms and bases in the Biqa' Valley, it will lead to far greater bloodshed for the Israelis, Lebanese and Americans in the future if Iran succeeds in acquiring nuclear weapons.
Every time I went to the Gulf and I was on liberty, I always carried a soft brown bag with me to put all my junk and purchases in. It had two shoulder straps so that I could carry it on my back. Bought it in Lynchburg, TN at the Jack Daniel's store. Wonderful bag it was, and it was greatly admired by the locals in the UAE. They loved touching that bag and telling me how wonderful and soft it was. On occasion, especially after a few shots, I would tell "select" Arabs that they were fondling the Finest American Pigskin! They would run cursing and spitting. I guess the ones that were never informed are down in Hell or someplace..... hahahahahahahaha
The Islamic Deception
by Nathan Tabor
Google the phrase "Muslim violence," and more than 29 million entries pop up. Granted, some of these citations represent violence committed against Muslims, but, unfortunately, quite a few represent violence committed in the name of Islam.
This makes me wonder: What does Islam really stand for? I hear a great deal about Muslims who do not believe in violence. Yet, it seems that this is a troubling form of faith that rewards people for committing acts of violence.
Imagine if Klansman David Duke claimed he was part of the Ku Klux Klan but was not a racist—that he just liked wearing sheets. Wouldn't that be a little hard to accept as a credible concept?
While it may seem outrageously politically incorrect to do so, a number of individuals are openly questioning whether the Muslim religion is truly a religion of peace. Some of these individuals are disaffected Muslims who feel as if they were sold a bill of goods by Islamic leaders. They believe they were betrayed—and they worry that others may be hoodwinked into believing that the Islamic faith is one of peace, love, and harmony.
Islamic regimes have been responsible for major human rights violations, especially against religious minority groups and women. Even some Muslims openly admit the religion has a history of violence—at least dating back to the 12th century. While some Muslims have openly called for a peace movement within their religion, the fact of the matter is that, year after year, the news pages are filled with instances of Muslim violence.
Another important thing to keep in mind here is that lying is actually sanctioned within the Islamic religion. As Islam spreads throughout the West, Americans need to be particularly vigilant, recognizing the fact that Muslim activists may try to deceive us into believing that they do not endorse violence, when their actions say otherwise. A number of Muslims artfully neglect to mention the more controversial aspects of Islamic writings and teachings.
For instance, the Koran is often quoted selectively to indicate that the religion stands for peace and tolerance. But after Mohammed migrated to Medina, the Koran became filled with passages showing not only prejudice and intolerance, but the endorsement of violence.
For example, Mohammed, a supposed prophet of peace, commanded his army to kill a Jewish tribe. Obviously, killing is the most extreme form of violence one can engage in, and it is appalling that a religious leader would sanction what can euphemistically be described as ethnic cleansing. The Koran contends that the "only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land." Such lines of text could never be confused with the lyrics to "Let There Be Peace on Earth."
It's hard to reconcile such writings with the popular image of Islam as a peace-loving religion that is being unfairly attacked. The fact is, the media are often complicit in this deception. News reports suggest that violence is perpetrated by extremists or fundamentalists, leading the average Westerner to believe that mainstream Islam does not condone any form of violence.
Because of Islam's traditional acceptance of lying, it's entirely possible that, when Islamic leaders speak, they are not speaking the unadulterated truth. In fact, they may say one thing and believe something entirely different.
In the end, by their fruits you will know them—and, regrettably, the fruits of Islam are often destruction, violence and death.
But they say Islam means peace? :?
Well, what do we expect from hypocrites?
Peace my a$$. I have a hard time wondering if it is really a religion or a mental disease.....a few daily minutes of CNN about the latest Baghdad bombings in the name of Allah - convinces me of the later.
For light reading about the trendy Western morons who support this abysmal mindset..
Islam's Useful Idiots
August 7th, 2006
Islam enjoys a large and influential ally among the non-Muslims: A new generation of "Useful Idiots," the sort of people Lenin identified living in liberal democracies who furthered the work of communism. This new generation of Useful Idiots also lives in liberal democracies, but serves the cause of Islamofascism—another virulent form of totalitarian ideology.
Useful Idiots are naïve, foolish, ignorant of facts, unrealistically idealistic, dreamers, willfully in denial or deceptive. They hail from the ranks of the chronically unhappy, the anarchists, the aspiring revolutionaries, the neurotics who are at war with life, the disaffected alienated from government, corporations, and just about any and all institutions of society. The Useful Idiot can be a billionaire, a movie star, an academe of renown, a politician, or from any other segment of the population.
Arguably, the most dangerous variant of the Useful Idiot is the "Politically Correct." He is the master practitioner of euphemism, hedging, doubletalk, and outright deception.
The Useful Idiot derives satisfaction from being anti-establishment. He finds perverse gratification in aiding the forces that aim to dismantle an existing order, whatever it may be: an order he neither approves of nor he feels he belongs to.
The Useful Idiot is conflicted and dishonest. He fails to look inside himself and discover the causes of his own problems and unhappiness while he readily enlists himself in causes that validate his distorted perception.
Understandably, it is easier to blame others and the outside world than to examine oneself with an eye to self-discovery and self-improvement. Furthermore, criticizing and complaining—liberal practices of the Useful Idiot—require little talent and energy. The Useful Idiot is a great armchair philosopher and "Monday Morning Quarterback."
The Useful Idiot is not the same as a person who honestly has a different point of view. A society without honest and open differences of views is a dead society. Critical, different and fresh ideas are the life blood of a living society—the very anathema of autocracies where the official position is sacrosanct.
Even a "normal" person spends a great deal more energy aiming to fix things out there than working to overcome his own flaws and shortcomings, or contribute positively to the larger society. People don't like to take stock of what they are doing or not doing that is responsible for the conditions they disapprove.
But the Useful Idiot takes things much farther. The Useful Idiot, among other things, is a master practitioner of scapegoating. He assigns blame to others while absolving himself of responsibility, has a long handy list of candidates for blaming anything and everything, and by living a distorted life, he contributes to the ills of society.
The Useful Idiot may even engage in willful misinformation and deception when it suits him. Terms such as "Political Islam," or "Radical Islam," for instance, are contributions of the Useful Idiot. These terms do not even exist in the native parlance of Islam, simply because they are redundant. Islam, by its very nature and according to its charter—the Quran—is a radical political movement. It is the Useful Idiot who sanitizes Islam and misguides the populace by saying that the "real Islam" constitutes the main body of the religion; and, that this main body is non-political and moderate.
Regrettably, a large segment of the population goes along with these nonsensical euphemisms depicting Islam because it prefers to believe them. It is less threatening to believe that only a hijacked small segment of Islam is radical or politically driven and that the main body of Islam is indeed moderate and non-political.
But Islam is political to the core. In Islam the mosque and state are one and the same—the mosque is the state. This arrangement goes back to the days of Muhammad himself. Islam is also radical in the extreme. Even the "moderate" Islam is radical in its beliefs as well as its deeds. Muslims believe that all non-Muslims, bar none, are hellfire bound and well-deserve being maltreated compared to believers.
No radical barbaric act of depravity is unthinkable for Muslims in dealing with others. They have destroyed precious statues of Buddha, leveled sacred monuments of other religions, and bulldozed the cemeteries of non-Muslims—a few examples of their utter extreme contempt toward others.
Muslims are radical even in their intrafaith dealings. Various sects and sub-sects pronounce other sects and sub-sects as heretics worthy of death; women are treated as chattel, deprived of many rights; hands are chopped for stealing even a loaf of bread; sexual violation is punished by stoning, and much much more. These are standard day-to-day ways of the mainstream "moderate" Muslims living under the stone-age laws of Sharia.
The "moderate" mainstream of Islam has been outright genocidal from inception. Their own historians record that Ali, the first imam of the Shiite and the son-in-law of Muhammad, with the help of another man, beheaded 700 Jewish men in the presence of the Prophet himself. The Prophet of Allah and his disciples took the murdered men's women and children in slavery. Muslims have been, and continue to be, the most vicious and shameless practitioners of slavery. The slave trade, even today, is a thriving business in some Islamic lands where wealthy, perverted sheikhs purchase children of the poor from traffickers for their sadistic gratification.
Muslims are taught deception and lying in the Quran itself—something that Muhammad practiced during his life whenever he found it expedient. Successive Islamic rulers and leaders have done the same. Khomeini, the founder of the 1979 Iranian Revolution, for instance, rallied the people under the banner of democracy. All along his support for democracy was not a commitment of an honest man, but a ruse. As soon as he gathered the reins of power, Khomeini went after the Useful Idiots of his time with vengeance. These best children of Iran, having been thoroughly deceived and used by the crafty phony populist-religionist, had to flee the country to avoid the fate of tens of thousands who were imprisoned or executed by the double-crossing imam.
Almost three decades after the tragic Islamic Revolution of 1979, the suffocating rule of Islam casts its death-bearing pal over Iranians. A proud people with enviable heritage is being systematically purged of its sense of identity and forced to think and behave like the barbaric and intolerant Muslims. Iranians who had always treated women with equality, for instance, have seen them reduced by the stone-age clergy to sub-human status of Islamic teaching. Any attempt by the women of Iran to counter the misogynist rule of Muhammad's mullahs is mercilessly suppressed. Women are beaten, imprisoned, raped and killed just as men are slaughtered without due process or mercy.
The lesson is clear. Beware of the Useful Idiots who live in liberal democracies. Knowingly or unknowingly, they serve as the greatest volunteer and effective soldiers of Islam. They pave the way for the advancement of Islam and they will assuredly be among the very first victims of Islam as soon as it assumes power.
Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist. He maintains a website at AmilImani.com
When the leaders of Islam in the U.S. state that they are opposed to the terrorism inflicted on the U.S. by Muslims it's a lie. It furthers their cause dictated by their Quran. I don't buy it. I personally believe that it is a fact that all Islamist are dangerous. Look how many that serve in our military have been arrested for spying in the last 5 years. Remember the soldier that threw the grenade in the tent in Kuwait before the invasion. Most of the muslims in our military that have been arrested were chaplins and there staff. Even the muslims that swore to defend our country have their loyality to Islam first. Anyone that says that there are good Muslims are in denial or just plain ignorant.
You are right, if they follow the Quran and are "good" followers, then they are defintely our enemy. Democracy is a concept that is wasted upon them as it does not work with their religion. That is the one major ideal that bush baby and his cronies do not understand.
The President's Christian beliefs aside, I think he's more interested in freedom than the religion of the Iraqi's or Afghanis... The problem with democracy there is that if the people get a taste of it, and have the freedom to choose, they sure as hell won't choose what they had before, and the locals in power there sure don't want that to happen. I had a friend from Jordan, Hisham Obaid, who travelled the world for the large American company he worked for, and was exposed to democracy and different religions. He forsook his Islamic religion and became a Christian, much to his family's consternation. Imagine if the Iraqs of the world gained their freedom, and CHOSE what religion they wanted to practice. Islam may fall from grace and be supplanted, and what's an unemployed iman to do? In Iran, Khomeini lied to the people, promising democracy, which they voted for, and then, once he was in power, kept the theocracy they have today.
I don't care if they're Islamic, Christian, Hindu, or hari krishnas, but it would be interesting to see what they would choose if given the opportunity...
The problem is that we can't fight this war the way it needs to be fought because of the political correctness of the Left. Bush needs to ignore these people and start being more aggressive. We didn't know that Muslims were to stupid to want democracy. But we still have a mess in Iraq with no real solution. If we leave the terrorist will just have another Afganistan to live and train in. The ones that do want democracy will then hate us for leaving. Staying forever is no real solution either. The problem over there is much more complicated for anyone person to resolve. The true problem is Islam and what is the solution to Islam? We are at a stalemate. I would be pissed if Bush had options that were viable and didn't choose those options, but that's not the case. We are now in a Damned if You Do or Damned if You Don't situation. We pass judgement like this would be an easy choice, but it is not. It doesn't matter what our politics are because it has to do with national security. Even Bill Clinton says he wouldn't want to be in Bush's shoes right now. No one knows the answer right now. I have one but it's unacceptable to most. I am not talking genocide, but something close to it. Islam is our enemy not a race of people. The islamic believes are threatening to us all. What other choice do we have? They will keep trying to kill us until we kill them. Their plans were foiled yesterday in London, but more Muslims will step up to the plate willingly. Basically my logic goes like this: All Muslims believe the Quran, the Quran says to kill the infidal. Hence all Muslims are supportive of killing the infidal. If non- believers are infidals then Muslims believe in killing all non-believers. Now that we know that all Muslims want to kill the infidal then all Muslims are our enemy. All their attacks have been of terrorist nature hence all muslims are terrorist.No More Muslims = No More Terrorist. To put it simply. Kill them all.
Well, since I'm back over here, I can see the bullsh*t the government pushes in the media. Whoa is Lebanon...Why won't the Jews leave us alone...blah, blah, blah.... :x
You should have taken your new gun with you so you could have had some target practice. :lol:
The LARK Program
A female liberal wrote a lot of letters to the White House complaining about the treatment of a captive insurgents (terrorists) being held in Guantanamo Bay. She received back the following reply:
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, D.C. 20016
Dear Concerned Citizen,
Thank you for your recent letter roundly criticizing our treatment of the Taliban and Al Quaeda detainees currently being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Our administration takes these matters seriously and your opinion was heard loud and clear here in Washington. You'll be pleased to learn that, thanks to the concerns of citizens like yourself, we are creating a new division of the Terrorist Retraining Program, to be called the "Liberals Accept Responsibility for Killers" program, or LARK for short.
In accordance with the guidelines of this new program, we have decided to place one terrorist under your personal care. Your personal detainee has been selected and scheduled for transportation under heavily armed guard to your residence next Monday.
Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you can just call him Ahmed) is to be cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your letter of complaint. It will likely be necessary for you to hire some assistant caretakers.
We will conduct weekly inspections to ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with those you so strongly recommended in your letter.
Although Ahmed is a sociopath and extremely violent, we hope your sensitivity to what you described as his "attitudinal problem" will help him overcome these character flaws. Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural differences. We understand that you plan to offer counseling and home schooling.
Your adopted terrorist is extremely efficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human life with such simple items as a pencil or nail clippers. We advise that you do not ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga group. He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices from common household products, so you may wish to keep those items locked up, unless (in your opinion) this might offend him.
Ahmed will not wish to interact with you or your daughters (except sexually), since he views females as a subhuman form of property.
This is a particularly sensitive subject for him and he has been known to show violent tendencies around women who fail to comply with the new dress code that he will recommend as more appropriate attire. I'm sure you will come to enjoy the anonymity offered by the burka -- over time.
Just remember that it is all part of "respecting his culture and his religious beliefs" -- wasn't that how you put it?
Thanks again for your letter. We truly appreciate it when folks like you keep us informed of the proper way to do our job.
You take good care of Ahmed - and remember...we'll be watching.
Good luck!
Cordially, your friend,
Don Rumsfeld
End the Fear-Mongering: Facts About Muslims
Everyone seems scared of Muslims and terrorists these days. So many people these days when passing a a mosque will wonder if people inside are plotting against the country. On one flight in the UK, people were thrown off just for speaking Arabic. What that means is we have a culture of fear. To combat that, I've compiled this list of facts about Muslims and terrorists to end all the irrational fear people have of their fellow Muslims.
FACTS ABOUT MUSLIMS AND TERRORISTS
FACT: Only 45% of mosques are primarily filled with terrorists.
FACT: Of any Muslim you see on the street, there is only a 30% chance he is currently thinking about killing you.
FACT: Islam means "peace"... or something similar. If any Muslim murders you, then he is going against what his own religion somewhat means.
FACT: While Islam may seem abusive or demeaning to women, 100% of Muslim women love it that way as reported by their husbands (the women were not allowed to speak... and, according to their husbands, they didn't want to either).
FACT: While killing yourself and others for some perverted sex dream involving 72 virgins might seem crazy to us, studies show that people who work towards concrete goals are more successful in life.
FACT: Most Muslim terrorists are secretly gay, anyway, and only act like they want 72 virgin women out of peer pressure.
FACT: If you overhear someone speaking Arabic on a plane, there is a less than 15% chance that person is talking about taking down the aircraft.
FACT: Even if they do take down the aircraft, there was a 0.0001% chance it was about to crash anyway.
FACT: Most terrorism goes against the teachings of Islam since terrorists often use more explosive power that was dictated to be allowable by the prophet Mohammed.
FACT: The prophet Mohammed was a humanitarian who saved nearly as many babies as he killed by the sword.
FACT: It is expressly forbidden by the Koran to beat someone to death with a Koran.
FACT: You are much more likely to be killed at a crosswalk by a careless Jew driving his fancy car than be killed by a Muslim terrorist.
FACT: Joooooos!
FACT: Most Muslims would hate it if all infidels were murdered and rather have infidels simply pay a tax - a "Don't Murder Me" tax.
FACT: The tax for not being murdered by Muslims would most likely be much less than the taxes you pay on gasoline a year.
FACT: Though Muslims do want Jews pushed into the sea, they don't necessarily want them all to drown.
FACT: Muslims are the most likely victims of Muslims murderers. Thus Muslims help eliminate the threat of Muslims.
FACT: Though Muslims do want to take over your country and put it under Islamic law, that doesn't mean they want to kill you.
Now that you have the facts on your side, you have no more reasons to be afraid.
I had to give you a "Stamp It" for that one. :-D
There's a joke floating around on the Internet of two Muslim mothers comparing pictures of their deceased children in happier days, the young boys dressed in traditional garb but with a belt of explosives wrapped around their little waists. As they put the pictures away, one mother turns to the other and sighs. "They blow up so fast nowadays," she says as her friend nods her head in agreement.
It's black humor for sure, but it's also a sign of a people, a culture, a practice that Westerners will never understand – all in the name of jihad. As a recent article in the New York Sun describes, some Muslim parents "...are encouraging their children their children to commit suicide as a religious act – then celebrating it."
I'm all for respecting the religious beliefs and values of others, but when a Muslim mother boasts "It's true I sacrificed a son, but others have sacrificed two or three. I hope more of my sons will become martyrs," there's more here that meets the eye than simply keeping up with the Jones.
Go to Google and search the phrase -- child suicide bombers – no quotation marks, and you get 4,560,000 hits! One story after another lays out a practice that can't be called anything less than barbaric. Just last week, it was reported that two of the alleged bombers who were preparing to bring down ten airplanes over the Atlantic were parents who were willing to kill themselves and their baby in the name of Allah.
This phenomenon of religious infanticide goes beyond one nationality. Palestinian youth summer camps are welcoming hundreds of children aged 11 to 15 to be trained in paramilitary camps in the Gaza Strip and West Bank. Suicide bombing is one of the daytime classes. No clay ash tray making here.
In Lebanon, mothers are naming their male children after Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah who has praised parents who offer their children to Allah as "martyrs." Iran is airing animated cartoons for children that promote suicide bombings.
Where are the "moderate" Muslims, the religious leaders or the Council on American-Islamic Relations who turn their backs to this travesty?
Here's one for ya:
I learned how to say,"I am Satan" in Arabic. I was walking around the air base the other day telling random UAE Air Force,"Anna Shay-taun(I am Satan)". Some zeros got offended. So what. One ask why was I Satan. I replied that I was a United States Marine... :mrgreen:
Hahaha. That's funny Devil_Dog. You need to carry a pitch fork around and stab them with it. :evil:
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 08-23-2006 -- 08:47:29
Here's one for ya:
I learned how to say,"I am Satan" in Arabic. I was walking around the air base the other day telling random UAE Air Force,"Anna Shay-taun(I am Satan)". Some zeros got offended. So what. One ask why was I Satan. I replied that I was a United States Marine... :mrgreen:
Hail Devil-Dog, hail Devil-Dog... :evil:
Coby's a Satan worshiper. :evil:
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 08-23-2006 -- 08:47:29
Here's one for ya:
I learned how to say,"I am Satan" in Arabic. I was walking around the air base the other day telling random UAE Air Force,"Anna Shay-taun(I am Satan)". Some zeros got offended. So what. One ask why was I Satan. I replied that I was a United States Marine... :mrgreen:
SEMPER FI!!!!!!!
Devil_Dog needs to buy some horns and wear them on his head. This will get those rag heads going.