I know a lot of you might disagree, but it is obviously the army that is the best. Although, in the air force they do have the best lawns and barracks. hmmmm...and food.
Come to think of it, I do miss my tent and the cold chow, and a foggy rifle range, and idiot officers that you shouldn't follow across the street.
I have always held the opinion that the Air Force fought smarter. The Army, Navy, and Marines were silly- enlisted people out front getting shot at, high-ranking officers way in the back. In the Air Force, we sent our officers to go fight, while we had a beer at the NCO Club. When the planes came back, they were serviced for another sortie, and we'd send 'em out again... "Go get 'em, sir! We'll be at the Club 'til you get back!"
Remember, "precision bombing starts with precision measurement."
Yall trying to ruffle my feathers?
Come to think of it, America really don't need the Air Force. We've been winning wars and flying planes into battle long before the Air Force was established. So what exactly does the Air Force do besides bragging that they live in "dorms" and bitching and complaining about doing anything physical? I asked my co-worker that (prior zoomie), and he couldn't give me an answer. He actually agreed with me. If less than 1% of the Air Force is pilots, what the hell do the rest of the force do? Honestly? Besides mistaken Marines for Iraqis, killing a WHOLE squad of them (remember the A-10 incident?). But then again, we're only bullet-catchers, right? Only if it's from the ememies' barrel....
We should just re-allocate the aircraft in the Air Force inventory to the Marines, Navy and Army and "Lay-off" the rest of the "corporation". Just think of all the money we'll save! We could buy the Army and Marines a brand new fleet of M1 Abrams tanks with just the money saved from not having to hire maids and maintenance crews to clean and upkeep the "dorms".
So, Doc, if it takes me being "Silly" (Marines) getting shot at to wear the title of 'U.S Marine", then to me that's far better than being an "airmen". And people wonder why the Air Force is the ass of everyone's jokes and gets no respect at all. Ronald Reagan once said people spend a lifetime wondering if they've made a difference: Marines don't have that problem...
But what do I know; I'm just another silly jarhead that can calibrate an O'scope if the stars and moons were aligned just right...
Whoa, waitaminute... can't we all just get along?
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 05-03-2006 -- 16:41:12
Come to think of it, America really don't need the Air Force.
Or the marines for that matter. Doesn't the Army do the same thing? Tanks, infantry, and such? Oh wait, the marines aren't even a separate department. Because the last time I checked, there were only 3 departments at the pentagon. And they were the Army, the Navy, and the Air Force. The Marines fall under the Dept. of the Navy don't they?
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 05-03-2006 -- 16:41:12We've been winning wars and flying planes into battle long before the Air Force was established.
Yes, it is true that we have been winning wars
and flying planes into battle before 1947, but did we win wars
by flying planes in
before the battle? Not so much.
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 05-03-2006 -- 16:41:12
If less than 1% of the Air Force is pilots, what the hell do the rest of the force do? Honestly?
Ummmm, for one we calibrate test equipment so the planes don't crash. Off hand, a few others would be aircraft maintenance (again, don't want those planes crashing), ammo (need them to blow up the bad guys), AGE, fuels, admin, comm, finance (don't know about you, but I do like getting paid)... I could go on, but I'm sure that you had the same types of support functions in the Marines. Or did the Navy take care of that stuff? Hell, with that kind of logic, why do they have so many sailors on a boat? It only takes one guy to drive it right?
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 05-03-2006 -- 16:41:12
Besides mistaken Marines for Iraqis, killing a WHOLE squad of them (remember the A-10 incident?).
As for friendly fire, that happens across all branches and you can't deny that. It is an unfortunate thing, in fact, it nearly killed my old man in Vietnam. What really sucks, is that they don't even award you a purple heart for it! Talk about insult to injury.
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 05-03-2006 -- 16:41:12We should just re-allocate the aircraft in the Air Force inventory to the Marines, Navy and Army and "Lay-off" the rest of the "corporation".
I would argue just the opposite. The Air Force should operate all of the planes. Except for maybe the Navy. Or maybe we could just put AF aircraft on the carriers and hitch a ride like the Marines.
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 05-03-2006 -- 16:41:12
We could buy the Army and Marines a brand new fleet of M1 Abrams tanks with just the money saved from not having to hire maids and maintenance crews to clean and upkeep the "dorms".
That seems to be a popular misconception, because we don't have maids or maintenance crews at our "dorms". And what's the big deal about "dorms"? Because we don't call them barracks? And bunk 20 or so guys to a room?
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 05-03-2006 -- 16:41:12So, Doc, if it takes me being "Silly"
I think he meant that the idea of those branches sending their enlisted folks out to get shot at was "silly" as compared to the AF sending their officers instead. I think he was just pointing out the irony...
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 05-03-2006 -- 16:41:12(Marines) getting shot at to wear the title of 'U.S Marine", then to me that's far better than being an "airmen".
Men and women (enlisted, officer, pilot, airman, soldier, marine, or whatever) from all of the branches of the service put their lives on the line
daily for this country. I don't think that's exclusive to the Marines. And that's not to belittle the contribution that you guys make, either. In fact, I'm not gonna lie, I probably couldn't cut it in the Army or the Marines (maybe the Navy) and that's why I'm in the Air Force. On that note though, I will tell you that I operate under the same values and principles that you as a Marine did. We call them our core values and they are "Integrity", "Service Before Self", and "Excellence In All We Do". Or they may be Duty, Honor, and Country to you. Or Honor, Courage, and Committment. Whatever they may be, they define us as military members. And I have the same sense of committment and duty to my country as any marine, sailor, or soldier. As a proud "Airman", I am also willing to give my life in defense of my country, just as any of my fellow servicemembers would.
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 05-03-2006 -- 16:41:12
And people wonder why the Air Force is the ass of everyone's jokes and gets no respect at all.
Now that's just unfortunate as well as untrue. No enemy that has come up on the wrong side of our might has ever joked about it afterward. In fact, as far as Air Forces go, we are one of the most respected on this planet. Of course, we joke about our ourselves, and obviously the other branches do as well. We've all got this kind of interservice rivalry going. Kind of like when I hear a Navy guy say "you know what MARINE stands for? My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment". Funny, and mostly nobody takes that stuff personally. But I do take it personally when someone goes so far as to seriously suggest that what we do in the Air Force doesn't matter. Because it does.
To borrow from an old cliche: 'the whole is greater than the sum of the parts'. I wholeheartedly believe that this is the case with the US military. It is the diversity and specialization that each service brings to the table that has made us the greatest military in the world. We may not (all) be on the front line and in the trenches daily, but our combined strengths and efforts are what truly make us a force to be reckoned with. SO please think about these things when bashing one of your sister services and calling them unnecessary. Thanks.
Well, The Navy does all those things ( except tanks ). We fly and maintain aircraft, go behind enemy lines and personally blow crap up. We have the best nukes ( trident missles ), Our corpmen patch up shot Marines and fight as well. The Navy has a world class nuke program, Get rid of the rest of the services because the Navy has it all covered. :-D
All branches have a role to play and one is not better than another. The Marines would never be deployed without the Navy. The Army would never get a ride into battle without the Airforce. The Marines and the Army could not fight without the Airforce bringing in Food and Ammo on a C130.
Analogy: Colon Cancer is a big killer. The Family doctor diagnoses you. The Surgen removes the cancer. The oncologist administers the chemotherapy. It takes three Doctors specializing in a different field to fight cancer. Some diseases require more doctors to combat.
However, the Navy specializes in everything. Hahaha. :-D
Navy rules!!!!!
It is true that the Marines are a department of the Navy...THE MEN'S DEPARTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D :mrgreen:
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 05-04-2006 -- 06:47:47
It is true that the Marines are a department of the Navy...THE MEN'S DEPARTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D :mrgreen:
Remember that's MEN'S pronounced with a lisp. :-D
Quote from: flew-da-coup on 05-04-2006 -- 06:59:30
Quote from: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 05-04-2006 -- 06:47:47
It is true that the Marines are a department of the Navy...THE MEN'S DEPARTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D :mrgreen:
Remember that's MEN'S pronounced with a lisp. :-D
LOL! :-D
You so crazzzeeeee!
Hahaha :-D
I'll quote from a previous posting:
Bottom line for me: if you want to hit it from afar with minimal risk to personnel and equipment- call the Air Force or Navy. We deliver "shock and awe." You want to get up close and personal- call the Army or Marines. You want to deliver a very unwelcome greeting off our shores- the Coast Guard will be happy to oblige.
Like the man said, every branch has their role, and each does it very well. The interservice rivalries are fun, not to be taken personally, and help us all keep our edge and stay sharp. Of course, all the other branches make fun of the Air Force because they're jealous... :-D
When I wore the suit, I always smirked just a little bit to be a calibration tech in the military, with my white lab coat and controlled environment. BUT, if the enemy came over the fence with the intent to kill me and my airmen, I, and all my fellow bench techs, would pick up our guns and kill them first. Then we'd have a smoke and a cup of coffee, and go back to the 5700A calibration that we had started before the interuption... Rule of engagement #1- NEVER attack a PMEL lab before 0900 coffee break, 'cause the techs will be grumpy and pissed!
Amen Doc, You don't invade a Lab until after the 9:00am break. I pity the enemy that tries.
Quote from: docbyers on 05-04-2006 -- 07:50:21
I'll quote from a previous posting:
Bottom line for me: if you want to hit it from afar with minimal risk to personnel and equipment- call the Air Force or Navy. We deliver "shock and awe." You want to get up close and personal- call the Army or Marines. You want to deliver a very unwelcome greeting off our shores- the Coast Guard will be happy to oblige.
Like the man said, every branch has their role, and each does it very well. The interservice rivalries are fun, not to be taken personally, and help us all keep our edge and stay sharp. Of course, all the other branches make fun of the Air Force because they're jealous... :-D
When I wore the suit, I always smirked just a little bit to be a calibration tech in the military, with my white lab coat and controlled environment. BUT, if the enemy came over the fence with the intent to kill me and my airmen, I, and all my fellow bench techs, would pick up our guns and kill them first. Then we'd have a smoke and a cup of coffee, and go back to the 5700A calibration that we had started before the interuption... Rule of engagement #1- NEVER attack a PMEL lab before 0900 coffee break, 'cause the techs will be grumpy and pissed!
Hand to hand combat, that's the fun of it, Doc! GET SOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hand to hand combat? Oh, I get it you mean taking down a Fluke 77 with a 5700A or a attenuator with a 8902MS. :-D
I seem to remember Happy Valley combat taking place over a doughnut box. The doughnut nazis wouldn't let someone take more that one doughut. Some people are just too ridiculous.:lol:
Are you talking about Dana the skinny guy? :?