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Question: What's your favorite source of news?
Option 1: Television votes: 3
Option 2: Radio votes: 0
Option 3: Periodicals votes: 0
Option 4: Internet votes: 9
Option 5: Other votes: 1
Title: Favorite Source of News
Post by: Thraxas on 04-07-2006 -- 17:23:41
Since media has changed so much lately, I'm wondering how people's habits have or have not changed with the technology.
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: Hoopty on 04-07-2006 -- 20:11:58
I voted internet, but it's probably more like a 50-50 split with TV.  Internet is gaining though.
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: flew-da-coup on 04-07-2006 -- 23:15:59
FOX News and AM Talk Radio. I am an extreme right wing  fanatic. And yes I HATE every Islamic Muslim. Call me a racist, but it's not about race. It's about there religion and their belief that we should die. This how screwed up these folks are, if they can't find an enemy to fight then they fight each other. Well, I better shut up or start another Subject. Fox News...
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: Thraxas on 04-08-2006 -- 11:34:58
I find myself using the internet as a news source more and more nowadays. It's so convient to pick and chose what news I want to read, watch or listen to. Network news tends to be biased and you have to wait for certain stories to finish before the program gets to the stories you want to watch.

I still read the occasional newspaper or magazine, but that's restricted by monetary reasons. Most newspaper and tv news tend to be online anyways.
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: coastiecappy on 04-10-2006 -- 11:25:05
Radio, Tv, newspaper, satellite, it depends on where I am at the time. The question is how much do you beleive?
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: docbyers on 04-10-2006 -- 12:01:32
Like any other information source these days, I think we all have to consider the source- and who's paying the bills.  The advertisers may have some impact on how a particular station or paper leans, either left, right, or in the middle.  I have a basic belief that MOST news organizations are liberal, some to a fault, but I don't read the NY Times, so there you go...
I find myself reading news stories, from any source, and never taking for granted that what I'm reading is just laden with FACTS; there's always a wee bit of "spin" thrown in to the journalism, either from the reporter themselves, or their sources.  Whenever I see "high level government source," my skepticism meter goes up a notch or two...
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: Freezer on 04-10-2006 -- 17:03:18
I'm with ya doc (cept I'm a liberal  :-)).

I get most of my "news" from Fark.com, local newspaper, and The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, probably not in that order.  I'm just not usually a "hard news" kind of guy.  For the big stories, I go to CNN.com and do some research on the net if a story intrigues me.  I try to see the spin on either side, be it Fox news or Daily Kos. I like to make up my own mind based on the best intel I can find, that means multiple sources to weed out the bias if I can.
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: cobychuck on 04-27-2006 -- 12:45:49
Mostly use the internet, although I don't really keep up on anything.  Usually just browse through CNN every now and then, maybe check out the Dredge Report.  Other than that, I don't really follow the news.
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: Phys_dim on 04-27-2006 -- 14:14:26
Quote from: flew-da-coup on 04-07-2006 -- 23:15:59
FOX News and AM Talk Radio. I am an extreme right wing  fanatic. And yes I HATE every Islamic Muslim. Call me a racist, but it's not about race. It's about there religion and their belief that we should die. This how screwed up these folks are, if they can't find an enemy to fight then they fight each other. Well, I better shut up or start another Subject. Fox News...

A friend sent me this...and I WHOLE heartedly agree...

Long read, but good.

In brief, Jill Edwards, a junior math major at the University of Washington, and a member of the UW student senate, opposed a memorial to  UW grad "Pappy" Boyington.  Boyington was a U.S. Marine aviator  who  earned the Medal of Honor in World War II.  Edwards said that she  didn't  think it was appropriate to honor a person who killed other  people.  She also said that a member of the Marine Corps was NOT an  example of the  sort of person the University of Washington wanted to  produce.

What follows is Gen. Dula's letter to the University of Washingtonstudent senate leader.

To: Edwards, Jill (student, UW)
Subject: Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs

Miss Edwards, I read of your 'student activity' regarding the  proposed  memorial to Col Greg Boyington, USMC and a Medal of Honor  winner. I suspect you will receive a bellyful of angry e-mails from  conservative  folks like me. You may be too young to appreciate fully  the sacrifices  of generations of servicemen and servicewomen on whose  shoulders you and  your fellow students stand. I forgive you for the  untutored ways of  youth and your naiveté.

It may be that you are, simply, a sheep. There's no dishonor in being  a  sheep - - as long as you know and accept what you are. Please take a couple of minutes to read the following. And be grateful for the   thousands - - millions - - of American sheepdogs who permit you the freedom to  express even bad ideas.

Brett Dula
Sheepdog, retired
----------------------------------------------------------
ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS

By LTC(RET) Dave Grossman, RANGER,
Ph.D., author of "On Killing."

Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so  because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy  things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our  time,  that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship,  persecution,  or as always,even death itself. The question remains:

What is worth defending?

What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William J.

Bennett - in a lecture to the United State s Naval Academy November 24, 1997

One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me:
"Most  of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle,  productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This  is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and  the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this  means is  that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt  one another.

Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent  crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent  crime  is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year.   Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat  offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation:
We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or  under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me, it is like the  pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it   will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell.
   
Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and  someday the civilization they protect will grow into something  wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the  wolves  feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are  wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better  believe it.  There are evil men in this world and they are capable of  evil deeds. The  moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep.  There is no safety in denial.
   
"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to  protect the flock and confront the wolf."
   
If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy  productive  citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and  no empathy for  your fellow citizens, then you have defined an  aggressive sociopath, a  wolf.
   
But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for  your  fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior,  someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the  heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out  unscathed

Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep,  wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is   what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil  in  the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which  is why  they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and  fire
exits throughout their kids' schools.
   
But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police  officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times  more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than  fire,  but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial.    The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard,   and so they chose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the  wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference,   though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm  the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little   lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other  way,  at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that  there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them  where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the  ready in our airports, in camouflage fatigues, holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white,  and go, "Baa." Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries  desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high  school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the  officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the  wolf is at the door.

Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel?

Remember how many times you heard the word hero?

Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a  sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young  sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed, right along  with the young ones.

Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day.  After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes."

The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have  been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference."  When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able  to make a difference.

There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior,  but  he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.

There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted  of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory  crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims  by body language: Slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness.   They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select  one  out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.

Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be  genetically  primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most  people can  choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say  that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall,  was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone  to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as  weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll,"  which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred  among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from  sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately  saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil  of evil men. - Edmund Burke

Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep,  real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are  wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human   being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.

If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but  you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect  you.  If  you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going  to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love.  But  if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then  you must  make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf  comes knocking at the door.

For example, many officers carry their weapons in church. They are well  concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs. Anytime you go to some  form of religious service, there is a very good chance  that a police  officer in your congregation is carrying. You will  never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.

I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church.  The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in  1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the  church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that  officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been  carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw  himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye  and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with  yourself after that?"

Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was  carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and  would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in  their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact  that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be  safeguards against them.

Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones were attacked and killed, and you had  to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"

It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.

Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when   you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically  survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear, helplessnessand horror at your moment of truth.

Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to  terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but  it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think  they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."

Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on  some level. And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all  aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes.

If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you  step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are  authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and  say this to yourself..."Baa."
   
This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy.   It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep  and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist  completely on one end or the other.

Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in  America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took  a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the  warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the  degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.

My personal Signature

"If It Weren't For The United State s Military"
"There Would Be NO United States of America"
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: flew-da-coup on 04-28-2006 -- 06:00:44
This was said better than I ever could.
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 04-28-2006 -- 09:52:39
Don't have time to watch tv, plus I hate the Arabic channels...they suck. :x
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: flew-da-coup on 04-28-2006 -- 10:03:03
I don't blame you Devil_Dog. I couldn't stand watching Arab Television  either. What kind of shows are they. Let me guess, Channel 2: burning the American Flag, Channel 5 ( the family channel): How to be a suicide bomber, channel 8: Chopping heads off people for fun T.V., Channel 13: A Martyr and his seventy virgins. Channel 17: I Love My Camel, Channel 24: Kill Kill Kill, Channel 30 ( kids channel): Abdul get's his first AK-47 ( the episode where he shoots it for the first time at his 5 yr old birthday party). Channel 46 ( Religious ): How to kill the infidels pt.1.

I don't blame you with a line up like that.
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: Thraxas on 04-29-2006 -- 10:41:02
You sure know a lot about those channels, fdc. I figured you for a Lifetime and Oxygen viewer. :lol:
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: flew-da-coup on 05-01-2006 -- 05:10:53
That was truly hitting below the belt.
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: PMEL_DEVIL-DOG on 05-01-2006 -- 12:23:30
Quote from: flew-da-coup on 04-28-2006 -- 10:03:03
I don't blame you Devil_Dog. I couldn't stand watching Arab Television  either. What kind of shows are they. Let me guess, Channel 2: burning the American Flag, Channel 5 ( the family channel): How to be a suicide bomber, channel 8: Chopping heads off people for fun T.V., Channel 13: A Martyr and his seventy virgins. Channel 17: I Love My Camel, Channel 24: Kill Kill Kill, Channel 30 ( kids channel): Abdul get's his first AK-47 ( the episode where he shoots it for the first time at his 5 yr old birthday party). Channel 46 ( Religious ): How to kill the infidels pt.1.

I don't blame you with a line up like that.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: Thraxas on 05-01-2006 -- 15:52:06
Quote from: flew-da-coup on 05-01-2006 -- 05:10:53
That was truly hitting below the belt.

I'm sorry..................not really. Running away now. :-D
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: flew-da-coup on 05-02-2006 -- 05:27:07
Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids....
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: Valdic on 07-11-2006 -- 16:49:58
I love the "Jon Stewart Show" and "Colbert Report"
Title: Re: Favorite Source of News
Post by: Freezer on 07-11-2006 -- 16:58:10
The Colbert Report is a little over the top for me sometimes, but I think it's hilarious that some people (the President) think it's a serious news commentary. :-)