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Title: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: cs137 on 05-23-2012 -- 12:44:54
Hello, been off for a while. Its been almost 6 months now and no job. I was wondering if anyone has had luck getting into Hickam. I used to work at Sub Base Pearl and often wonder what it would be like working there again.
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: ZZ on 05-23-2012 -- 15:42:51
Hickam is converting to civil service later this year (October...I think). They are currently a contract lab ran by Yulista. I'd contact the lab directly since it's likely that a most of the current crew will stay in place. Not sure what the number is but it shouldn't be hard to find.
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: cs137 on 05-23-2012 -- 15:50:07
Thanks, I will be watching. I was working at the afpsl but got caught in the reduction of force in January. Its been a weird feeling not having  a cal deadline to meet but I am getting bored an would like to score something really sweet.
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: yonker08 on 05-23-2012 -- 20:54:38
Quote from: cs137 on 05-23-2012 -- 15:50:07
Thanks, I will be watching. I was working at the afpsl but got caught in the reduction of force in January. Its been a weird feeling not having  a cal deadline to meet but I am getting bored an would like to score something really sweet.

No fun trying to find a job around here is it? Do you have a profile on USAJOBS.gov?
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: CalibratorJ on 05-24-2012 -- 07:19:19
Quote from: cs137 on 05-23-2012 -- 15:50:07
Thanks, I will be watching. I was working at the afpsl but got caught in the reduction of force in January. Its been a weird feeling not having  a cal deadline to meet but I am getting bored an would like to score something really sweet.

Ouch, I think I remember seeing something about the AFPSL losing some folks earlier this year, but I was out of the loop for the first three months of the year. Thankfully (which means luckily) we haven't had any real cuts, yet....
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: Martin on 05-24-2012 -- 07:51:27
If they are going Civil Service from Yulista, that's usually on 1 October, expect to see lower wages for the positions there after the change also....
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: cs137 on 05-24-2012 -- 09:04:50
I have tried using the usa site but somehow did not get my info thru their resume screeners as I have never been called. Low pay is better than no pay when unemployment runs out. It would appear that getting back into the system is very hard these days. I haven't given up yet. According the internet I still have truck driving and insurance salesmen to fall back on.
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: PMEL Whore on 05-24-2012 -- 09:31:46
If you are willing to relocate, and it sounds like you are, there are always commercial jobs out there.  It's a bit of a different mentality than AF PMEL but the skills are still the same.  I've worked contract PMEL for more years than I care to count and I can tell you it sucks.  The uncertainty that comes along when the contract comes up for renewal, and the general, "we own you" mentality of some, not all, of the contractors makes anything else look good.  I did enjoy a short time I had at a biotech company in the metrology department, pay and benefits were good and it was a nice atmosphere to work in, I would have stayed but family issues forced me to move out of the area.  Best  move I made was to get out of contract PMEL.  Done it 3 times now, it keeps sucking me back in, I like to think I'm out of it for good now.
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: yonker08 on 05-24-2012 -- 10:31:40
Quote from: cs137 on 05-24-2012 -- 09:04:50
I have tried using the usa site but somehow did not get my info thru their resume screeners as I have never been called. Low pay is better than no pay when unemployment runs out. It would appear that getting back into the system is very hard these days. I haven't given up yet. According the internet I still have truck driving and insurance salesmen to fall back on.

E-mail me and I'll see if I can give you some help with the site. I know it probably has changed since I retired from Civil Service but some of the principles should be the same. 
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: ZZ on 05-24-2012 -- 15:07:22
Before you do anything I'd call the lab manager at the site. That way they will have name recognition and should increase your chances.
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: cs137 on 05-24-2012 -- 21:23:02
Thanks for all the interest and suggestions. I may end up going back to school just to kill some time until the job market opens up. Maybe a fresh education will help.
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: CatfishJohn78 on 05-31-2012 -- 17:50:50
Not sure who the lab manager is but I know the Program Management officer. He is over Yulista PACAF, which is Eilson, Elmendorf, Hickam, and Andersen AFBs. I worked at Andersen AFB for 6 years. I have his info. Let me know.
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: Tolerance on 06-04-2012 -- 15:51:57
Hello,
Is anyone working at Hickam now or recently?

What are the work conditions like?

Is the moral good?

What are the hours/shifts?

If it's a contract lab, does that mean no military PMEL work there?
Thank you in advance  :-)
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: StoneColdK on 06-04-2012 -- 19:23:46
I currently work at Hickam.
What are the work conditions like?
Working conditions are good.
Is the moral good?
Is ok now, but not after the paycut on 10/1/12
What are the hours/shifts?
7-4, dayshift only
If it's a contract lab, does that mean no military PMEL work there?
Contract lab now, until October. Currently no military PMEL. 
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: USMCPMEL on 06-05-2012 -- 10:58:13
SCK What kind of a paycut did you get? I am sure that will effect moral I had the same thing happen to me at my company and let me tell you it very much so effected my moral. You can PM me if you don't want to respond on the board...
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: MRD on 06-05-2012 -- 13:07:59
I applied back in March for a position at Hickham and got a Tentative Job offer for a WG-2602-8 position, the annual salary was lower than the stated range in the original listing.  I called a friend and when I found out that WG positions in HI were exempt from COLA I passed on it.  I don't know what they are thinking when positions in OK are paying more than HI.  Did the contractor really skew their perspective on the cost of living there?
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: StoneColdK on 06-05-2012 -- 14:35:38
I am not sure where it got skewed. Cost of living is comparable to SF and NY.
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: MRD on 06-05-2012 -- 15:30:25
Quote from: StoneColdK on 06-05-2012 -- 14:35:38
I am not sure where it got skewed. Cost of living is comparable to SF and NY.

Are you aware they are offering $25.11/hr?  I'd be leary of any technician with more than 10 years experience accepting that kind of money unless they already own a house in Hawaii.  I look at it that you get what you pay for and $25.11 won't work in LA, let alone SF or NY.
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: StoneColdK on 06-05-2012 -- 17:09:56
Already owning a home out here would be about the only way to make it. Unless your spouse had a job making the same amount of money, or a retired master seargent or something like that. Single income from civil service in Hawaii will not cut it, even for a single person.
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: yonker08 on 06-05-2012 -- 18:35:49
The last time I saw Yulista advertising the slot over there they were offering around $35 an hour(the same as their Alaska rate). Having spent a career in AF labs (civil service) the positions are always journeyman positions which start as WG-11s. A WG-8 should be a helper position which would not include repair or calibration. 
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: MRD on 06-05-2012 -- 18:53:13
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Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: Tolerance on 06-06-2012 -- 15:41:38
Is the pay cut justified by increased benefits?

Better vacation, holidays, sick leave and retirement?

Will work conditions or recourse with HR be better as a Civil Service employee?

Job security is better? Not sure about this, since wasn't this civil service then contract and now civil service again?
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: ZZ on 06-06-2012 -- 15:59:20
Wow...that's considerably lower than the current contractor pays no matter how you cut it. Good luck filling (or keeping people in) those slots.
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: yonker08 on 06-06-2012 -- 18:36:05
As you can see nothing in the government is for sure. It seems they want to push the envelop on the "worker" classification so they can keep the pay low. I retired from an Army depot where they had helpers and workers and their duty responsibilities were always less than journeymen levels. They really didn't sign off on any final product. 
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: USMCPMEL on 06-07-2012 -- 10:47:32
I would think for those prices the only people they would get would be newbees fresh out of the service??
Title: Re: How does one get a job in a contract lab in Hawaii
Post by: StoneColdK on 06-07-2012 -- 12:09:24
Either newbees or retirees. Retirees would be the only ones that may actually be able to afford to live out here with the civil service pay.